From: goat@pelican.cit.cornell.edu (Daniel Quaroni)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
Subject: Marathon tourney players SUCKED!
Date: 8 Feb 1995 19:12:43 GMT
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I downloaded the replays from the MW tournament in the hopes of seeing some
good playing strategies...  Naturally I went right to the finals to see how
good the best players were.  I couldn't believe what I saw... They sucked!
I heard that Cybernator cheated or something like that, and that he said that
he deserved to win.  Well, from what I saw, I deserved to win becuase I could
have kicked all of those players inside out!  (I didn't play in it, but I
REALLY wish I had!)

                -=-Daniel Quaroni
                        -=-goat@pelican.cit.cornell.edu





From: bbarry@podbox.UUCP (Byron Barry)
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Subject: Re: Marathon tourney players SUCKED!
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klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) writes:

>In article <3hdg2l$7uf@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca>,
>Chris Feist <cfeist@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote:
>>Still think you can wax all our butts? Come to Macworld Boston and find out 
>>first hand. I dare you! =) 
>
>Yes, I agree.  Put up or shut up.

Gee,if you guys want to talk his boss into letting him take a vacation and pay
for his airfare, THEN you can tell him to put up or shut up.

Because: Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

(I also agree that the players should have been better (even if they had never
SEEN the game.))




From: klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui)
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Subject: Re: Marathon tourney players SUCKED!
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In article <bbarry.2iao@podbox.UUCP>, Byron Barry <bbarry@podbox.UUCP> wrote:
>klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) writes:
>>Yes, I agree.  Put up or shut up.
>Gee,if you guys want to talk his boss into letting him take a vacation and pay
>for his airfare, THEN you can tell him to put up or shut up.

What about software such as ihhd.  Would that permit Marathon to
work over an Internet connection or is it PC-only software?  If
it works, then tournament champions can be challenged and play
other on the network.

>Because: Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but unless
they actually play against those who won the Macworld tournament,
it doesn't mean anything.  It's just talk; talk is cheap.


Ken
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From: usully@mcl.ucsb.edu (Steve Sullivan)
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Subject: Re: Marathon tourney players SUCKED!
Date: 13 Feb 1995 08:58:54 GMT
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>(I also agree that the players should have been better (even if they had never
>SEEN the game.))


<BUZZER SOUND> WRONG!

Cybernator is on the developer team, and you can also see him on the 
demo.  If you let the demo play long enough you will see him.  So he was 
playing marathon MONTHS before the tourney.  





From: mgarriso@hmc.edu (Michael Garrison)
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Subject: Re: Marathon tourney players SUCKED!
Date: 13 Feb 1995 21:44:15 GMT
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> 
> <BUZZER SOUND> WRONG!
> 
> Cybernator is on the developer team, and you can also see him on the 
> demo.  If you let the demo play long enough you will see him.  So he was 
> playing marathon MONTHS before the tourney.  


That's news to me.  Just for clarification, I'm the real CYBERNATOR.  I
did not start playing the full version of Marathon until a few days before
Macworld started.  Since I was staying at a hotel in SF (the Marriott's,
of course), the only time that I was playing Marathon was at the show
itself.  If I was on the developer team, I wouldn't have played and I
doubt that Bungie would have even allowed me to play because it would be
unfair.  Anyone is welcome to ask Bungie directly if they don't believe
me.  Around February, I did learn of some official Beta testers who work
for Apple and who are now friends of my sister(she now works for apple). 
I haven't met them yet but in March I'm going to play them.  Apparently,
because they were testers, Bungie asked them not to play because they
SUPPOSEDLY would have beaten everybody.  So when I play them, they'll see
how they compared against the winner of the tournament.  I think I'll go
check the demo to see if that's true.  Also, if you watch any of my films,
you'll note that I always use caps for CYBERNATOR, a good way to
distinguish the real CYBERNATOR from imposters.


Happy Marathonning!

Mike Garrison