From: elk...@pop.mis.net (Sean Elkins)
Subject: A secret, hidden game????
Date: 1998/12/05
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To shorten this story, my HD copy of Marathon got corrupted, so I tried
running it from the CD. It worked, so I deleted the HD game. I then tried
to double-click the saved game on my desktop and was dropped into a new
game with a totally new interface and enimies like the skitters in PID. The
title marathon.fat flashes across the menu bar when I launch it.

I should note that my manual is not here with me right now, so I couldn't
install the serial number over, so it won't let me double-click the game
icon and play. The marathon.fat game is the only thing it will do.

I've owned M1 for several years and have played through all three games and
have never seen this before. What gives?

Sean

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From: co...@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: A secret, hidden game????
Date: 1998/12/05
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In article <elkins-ya02408000R0512981010180...@netnews.mis.net>,
  elk...@pop.mis.net (Sean Elkins) wrote:
> To shorten this story, my HD copy of Marathon got corrupted, so I tried
> running it from the CD. It worked, so I deleted the HD game. I then tried
> to double-click the saved game on my desktop and was dropped into a new
> game with a totally new interface and enimies like the skitters in PID. The
> title marathon.fat flashes across the menu bar when I launch it.
>
> I should note that my manual is not here with me right now, so I couldn't
> install the serial number over, so it won't let me double-click the game
> icon and play. The marathon.fat game is the only thing it will do.
>
> I've owned M1 for several years and have played through all three games and
> have never seen this before. What gives?
>
> Sean
>
> *****************************************************
> Sean Elkins - Educator, Mac user, Responsible Gun Owner
> Owenton, KY
>
> elk...@mis.net
> *****************************************************

This is no joke!  I tried it!  I just installed Marathon, played until the
first save spot, and quit.  I threw away my copy and double-clicked on the
game with the CD in the drive.	Suddenly, I was in a different game.  It
looked like the original pictures of the game that are on the Marathon Story
page.  Complete with the "Grendel Was Here" textures.  The game was obviously
incomplete, because when you shoot an enemy, they flip back and forth rapidly
between the hit sprite for a few seconds.  Then, they go on.  Eventually,
you'll kill them.  I've only seen one enemy and one weapon, so far.  I truly
think this is the original Marathon game.  It must be.	Everyone has got to
see it to believe it.  I don't know if it will work with the Trilogy CD, but
it will with the original.  I gotta go, I need more info on this.

Cord --- Utterly baffled at the number of secrets in the Marathon games.  Is
it possible that this can happen with Marathon 2 and OO?  I've got to
know....

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From: macga...@DAMNTHATSPAMohana.com (Michael Park)
Subject: Re: A secret, hidden game????
Date: 1998/12/05
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In article <74cdp1$3v...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, co...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> This is no joke!  I tried it!  I just installed Marathon, played until the
> first save spot, and quit.  I threw away my copy and double-clicked on the
> game with the CD in the drive.  Suddenly, I was in a different game.  It
> looked like the original pictures of the game that are on the Marathon Story
> page.  Complete with the "Grendel Was Here" textures.  The game was obviously
> incomplete, because when you shoot an enemy, they flip back and forth rapidly
> between the hit sprite for a few seconds.  Then, they go on.  Eventually,
> you'll kill them.  I've only seen one enemy and one weapon, so far.  I truly
> think this is the original Marathon game.  It must be.  Everyone has got to
> see it to believe it.  I don't know if it will work with the Trilogy CD, but
> it will with the original.  I gotta go, I need more info on this.
> 
> Cord --- Utterly baffled at the number of secrets in the Marathon games.  Is
> it possible that this can happen with Marathon 2 and OO?  I've got to
> know....

That's the Marathon Beta.  If you have the Trilogy CD, look inside the
"Marathon Extras" folder. You'll find a folder called "old marathons
betas".  There are three (count'em THREE) versions of a very early Marathon
in there.

The Finder probably got confused.  You deleted Marathon 1, so that wiped
the game from the Desktop file.  You double click on the saved game, it
searches your hard drive for Marathon 1, no dice.  It goes to your CD.

Either the Finder searches from the first part of the CD's directory to the
last or the other way around.  Whatever happened, it found the Marathon
beta first before it found the real Marathon 1.

Want to see the beta?  Use ResEdit and lurk around the CD.  ResEdit allows
you to open invisible files and look inside invisible folders... so...

TIP: If you have the System 7.5 Find File Utility, hit option while
clicking on the search criteria (the leftmost popup box).  Four new options
will appear on the bottom.  One option is "Visibility".  Choose that option
and then hit "Find".

Who knows what you'll run into.

By the way, isn't the M1 CD the one with all the cool digitized music?

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From: co...@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: A secret, hidden game????
Date: 1998/12/05
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To follow up my previous post, I have found the location of the game.  There
are actually three of them.  All inside a hidden folder called 'old
marathons' in the Holiday Marathon Music folder.  Had these been found
before?  I don't own the Trilogy CD, but I've heard everyone talk about the
hidden things on it, have these been found long ago, and Sean just now
discovered them for himself, and I just discovered them because of him?  Or
is this the first instance of these appearing.	I can only get into the
marathon.alpha.fat program.  The other two crash when I try to run them.  I'm
going to go mess around with them some more. I'll return.  I beat the first
level of the Marathon alpha.  It crashed and I was kicked out.

Cord
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From: macga...@DAMNTHATSPAMohana.com (Michael Park)
Subject: Re: A secret, hidden game????
Date: 1998/12/06
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In article <74cet9$4u...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, co...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> To follow up my previous post, I have found the location of the game.  There
> are actually three of them.  All inside a hidden folder called 'old
> marathons' in the Holiday Marathon Music folder.  Had these been found
> before?  I don't own the Trilogy CD, but I've heard everyone talk about the
> hidden things on it, have these been found long ago, and Sean just now
> discovered them for himself, and I just discovered them because of him?  Or
> is this the first instance of these appearing.  I can only get into the
> marathon.alpha.fat program.  The other two crash when I try to run them.  I'm
> going to go mess around with them some more. I'll return.  I beat the first
> level of the Marathon alpha.  It crashed and I was kicked out.

There is a folder called "old marathons betas" on the Trilogy CD.  The
Marathon 1 CD owners were probably _supposed_ to be the ones to find the
betas before the Trilogy CD owners.  Of course, the Trilogy CD owners have
it easy, we get the betas in a nice little folder under a folder called
"Marathon Extras".  While you M1 CD owners have to search and work for it.

I can't get the last two betas to run.  I can only get the first one.  The
first one is the PID-like Marathon.  The other two - I don't know.  One
requires a PPC, so it's out of the question.  The other one crashes with a
type 10 error.

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From: elk...@pop.mis.net (Sean Elkins)
Subject: Re: A secret, hidden game????
Date: 1998/12/07
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>From: co...@my-dejanews.com
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>Subject: Re: A secret, hidden game????
>Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 23:16:59 GMT

>
>To follow up my previous post, I have found the location of the game.  There
>are actually three of them.  All inside a hidden folder called 'old
>marathons' in the Holiday Marathon Music folder.  Had these been found
>before?  I don't own the Trilogy CD, but I've heard everyone talk about the
>hidden things on it, have these been found long ago, and Sean just now
>discovered them for himself, and I just discovered them because of him?  Or
>is this the first instance of these appearing.  I can only get into the
>marathon.alpha.fat program.  The other two crash when I try to run them.  I'm
>going to go mess around with them some more. I'll return.  I beat the first
>level of the Marathon alpha.  It crashed and I was kicked out.
>
>Cord
>---
>Completely joyous by this little easter egg.

As a follow-up, once I discovered this thing but after my original post, I
went looking for Marathon.fat with the invisible command in Find File. It
does indeed appear in a hidden folder in Marathon Holiday music.

Did anybody know about this before? Did I just discover something.

Anyway, I'm curious to know if anybody ever used ResEdit or DiskTop to make
this app visible? I ask because if you do a Command-S in the game, you get
a save dialog box, but you can't ever see the saved file. I wonder if you
make it visible if you can run a saved game editor on it?

Oh, there is another cool weapon besides the pistol, a energy pulse cannon
that kills with one shot. A nice weapon.

Sean

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