From: H Petteri Sulonen (psulonen@cc.helsinki.fi)
Subject: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games, alt.games.marathon
Date: 1995-02-24 01:07:31 PST
Most of the Marathon level names are funny and understandable, but Ingue
Ferroque has me floored. I know a little Latin, but the only word close
to Ingue that I can find is ingu|en / -inis, meaning "groin". Also,
"ingue" is not a legal form of it. Furthermore, "by groin and by iron"
wouldn't make much sense, would it?
I wonder if the folks at Bungie have made a little boo-boo. If it were
"Igni ferroque" it would mean "by fire and by iron", a phrase used by
someone or other when he described what he was going to use on an enemy
city... (Steel wasn't used much in those days.)
-- Petteri (rambling...)
From: Ben Hines <bhines@sdcc13.ucsd.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games,alt.games.marathon
Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
Date: 24 Feb 1995 21:54:57 GMT
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In article <3ik7kj$mjc@kruuna.helsinki.fi> H Petteri Sulonen,
psulonen@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>Most of the Marathon level names are funny and understandable, but Ingue
>Ferroque has me floored. I know a little Latin, but the only word close
>to Ingue that I can find is ingu|en / -inis, meaning "groin". Also,
>"ingue" is not a legal form of it. Furthermore, "by groin and by iron"
>wouldn't make much sense, would it?
>
Well, I don't know what Ingue Ferroque means, but what does "Cupiditus
Preamuim Suum Est" mean?.. It's also in there, somewhere... :)
Hint: Get Mia, the new marathon map editor, from ftp.amug.org or
http://www.amug.org/~marathon/spy/
-Ben
-- bhines@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
"I think our generation loves our pain, and if you dare take it away from
us,
<http://sdcc13.ucsd.edu/~bhines> we're going to kill you." -tori
amos
From: dyanega@denr1.igis.uiuc.edu (Doug Yanega)
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Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
Date: 25 Feb 1995 02:00:10 GMT
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In article <3ilkjh$h76@network.ucsd.edu>, Ben Hines
<bhines@sdcc13.ucsd.edu> wrote:
> In article <3ik7kj$mjc@kruuna.helsinki.fi> H Petteri Sulonen,
> psulonen@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
> >Most of the Marathon level names are funny and understandable, but Ingue
> >Ferroque has me floored. I know a little Latin, but the only word close
> >to Ingue that I can find is ingu|en / -inis, meaning "groin". Also,
> >"ingue" is not a legal form of it. Furthermore, "by groin and by iron"
> >wouldn't make much sense, would it?
I suspect it's from the same root as the word "ingot", so Ingue Ferroque
is probably a French version of Iron Bar (I don't think it's Latin). Of
course, it could mean "Iron Groin"... ;-)
--
Doug Yanega
Illinois Natural History Survey, Center for Biodiversity
607 E. Peabody Dr. Champaign, IL 61820 USA
"There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is
the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick
From: bwanga@cats.ucsc.edu (Tim Seufert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games,alt.games.marathon
Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
Date: 25 Feb 1995 07:56:38 GMT
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In article <dyanega-2402952002040001@catalpa.inhs.uiuc.edu>,
dyanega@denr1.igis.uiuc.edu (Doug Yanega) wrote:
> I suspect it's from the same root as the word "ingot", so Ingue Ferroque
> is probably a French version of Iron Bar (I don't think it's Latin). Of
> course, it could mean "Iron Groin"... ;-)
In the online chat with Jason Jones on EWorld, he said this:
BungieCorp : ok, you talked me into it. on the last level (which should
be spelled "Ignie Ferroque") there are three secret doors
So it would appear that the spelling in the game is just a typo. (U is
right next to I on the keyboard...)
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From: oac30565@rosie.uh.edu (Chacon, Octavious A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games,alt.games.marathon
Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
Date: 25 Feb 1995 12:06 CST
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In article <dyanega-2402952002040001@catalpa.inhs.uiuc.edu>, dyanega@denr1.igis.uiuc.edu (Doug Yanega) writes...
>In article <3ilkjh$h76@network.ucsd.edu>, Ben Hines
><bhines@sdcc13.ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
>> In article <3ik7kj$mjc@kruuna.helsinki.fi> H Petteri Sulonen,
>> psulonen@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>> >Most of the Marathon level names are funny and understandable, but Ingue
>> >Ferroque has me floored. I know a little Latin, but the only word close
>> >to Ingue that I can find is ingu|en / -inis, meaning "groin". Also,
>> >"ingue" is not a legal form of it. Furthermore, "by groin and by iron"
>> >wouldn't make much sense, would it?
>
>I suspect it's from the same root as the word "ingot", so Ingue Ferroque
>is probably a French version of Iron Bar (I don't think it's Latin). Of
>course, it could mean "Iron Groin"... ;-)
>--
>Doug Yanega
>Illinois Natural History Survey, Center for Biodiversity
>607 E. Peabody Dr. Champaign, IL 61820 USA
>"There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is
> the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick
Sound more like "Balls of steel".
-OctAVious
From: luke@aludra.usc.edu (Shadow of Death)
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Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
Date: 25 Feb 1995 22:23:06 GMT
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In article <3im839$r18@newsreader.wustl.edu>, acrosenk@artsci.wustl.edu
(Alan Charles Rosenkoetten) wrote:
> How about Habete Quidam (sp?) - sounds Arabic or something, though I
> don't really know... By the way, the Song of Roland is a good book, and
> not just because it mentions Durandel (some of the wierder
> Tyco/Durandel/Leela relations can be related, if only loosely...)
>
Well, Habete Quiddam is the name of one of the dudes who play tested the
network levels (SuperOperaBoy it says in the manual) However, even that
could be a handle, or mean something related to the board. I don't know...
--
The
Shadow "Just because you're paranoid,
of don't mean I'm not after you..."
Death
From: Sue K. Gibson (sgibson@ctp.org)
Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games, alt.games.marathon
Date: 1995-02-26 02:34:46 PST
SuperOperaBoy is Jason the programmer. I watched him thrash everybody at
MacExpo without knowing who he was.
From: petersen@halcyon.com (Randall K Petersen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games,alt.games.marathon
Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 21:55:39 -0800
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In article <chrisat-2802951321140001@pslip001.pvd-ri.ids.net>,
chrisat@ids.net (Chris Arsenault) wrote:
=> > Most of the Marathon level names are funny and understandable, but Ingue
=> > Ferroque has me floored. I know a little Latin, but the only word close
=> > to Ingue that I can find is ingu|en / -inis, meaning "groin". Also,
=> > "ingue" is not a legal form of it. Furthermore, "by groin and by iron"
=> > wouldn't make much sense, would it?
=>
=> It would if the meaning was "by an iron groin" or a similar connotation!
As has already been posted, the term is apparently a typographical error.
Should be Igne ferroque, "by fire and iron".
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From: tom wilson (twilson@sunny5.dab.ge.com)
Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games, alt.games.marathon
Date: 1995-03-01 07:51:38 PST
bwanga@cats.ucsc.edu (Tim Seufert) wrote:
>In the online chat with Jason Jones on EWorld, he said this:
> BungieCorp : ok, you talked me into it. on the last level (which should
> be spelled "Ignie Ferroque") there are three secret doors
>So it would appear that the spelling in the game is just a typo. (U is
>right next to I on the keyboard...)
I have two comments on this. First, this is really pathetic. A typo on one
of the level names! I can see it on one of the screens where Leela gives you
info (in fact, I know I read a typo somewhere - something like "he" in stead
of "the"). I guess the release was rushed too much. I guess a typo is better
than an executable bug.
Secondly, to the dumb-ass who claims a classical education. What a f#cking
fraud since you seemed to think Ignue is a Latin word. I was correct in that
it wasn't.
Tom
From: psulonen@cc.helsinki.fi (H Petteri Sulonen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games,alt.games.marathon
Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
Date: 1 Mar 1995 19:57:03 +0200
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In <dyanega-2402952002040001@catalpa.inhs.uiuc.edu> dyanega@denr1.igis.uiuc.edu (Doug Yanega) writes:
>In article <3ilkjh$h76@network.ucsd.edu>, Ben Hines
><bhines@sdcc13.ucsd.edu> wrote:
>I suspect it's from the same root as the word "ingot", so Ingue Ferroque
>is probably a French version of Iron Bar (I don't think it's Latin). Of
>course, it could mean "Iron Groin"... ;-)
I know a lot more French than Latin, and Ingue Ferroque is _definitely_
not French. Ferroque _is_ Latin; it's the ablative (or possibly dative)
of ferr|um (iron, sword, any iron implement), meaning "by sword"; plus
-que, meaning "and".
-- Petteri
From: psulonen@cc.helsinki.fi (H Petteri Sulonen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games,alt.games.marathon
Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
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In <3im839$r18@newsreader.wustl.edu> acrosenk@artsci.wustl.edu (Alan Charles Rosenkoetten) writes:
>How about Habete Quidam (sp?) - sounds Arabic or something, though I
>don't really know... By the way, the Song of Roland is a good book, and
>not just because it mentions Durandel (some of the wierder
>Tyco/Durandel/Leela relations can be related, if only loosely...)
It's "Habe Quidam". It means simply "Have something!". (Sing. pres.
active of "habeo", to have, etc.; "quidam", pronoun; "something".
It's Latin, at least.
-- Petteri
From: nabob@owlnet.rice.edu (John Alexander Chapman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games,alt.games.marathon
Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
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In article <chrisat-2802951321140001@pslip001.pvd-ri.ids.net>,
Chris Arsenault <chrisat@ids.net> wrote:
>
>> Most of the Marathon level names are funny and understandable, but Ingue
>> Ferroque has me floored. I know a little Latin, but the only word close
>> to Ingue that I can find is ingu|en / -inis, meaning "groin". Also,
>> "ingue" is not a legal form of it. Furthermore, "by groin and by iron"
>> wouldn't make much sense, would it?
>It would if the meaning was "by an iron groin" or a similar connotation!
Neato. It's so cool when a typo is more amusing than the original statement.
"By fire and iron" (ignie ferroque) is rather clever and epic, but it lacks
that deeprooted phallocentric attitude of guns that "ingue ferroque" gives.
From: Sue K. Gibson <sgibson@ctp.org>
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Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
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What about the women players?
From: hanssgen@iraul1.ira.uka.de (Stefan Haenssgen)
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Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
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In article <3j2chf$h4a@kruuna.helsinki.fi>, psulonen@cc.helsinki.fi (H Petteri Sulonen) writes:
|> [...] Ferroque _is_ Latin; it's the ablative (or possibly dative)
|> of ferr|um (iron, sword, any iron implement), meaning "by sword"; plus
|> -que, meaning "and".
right. there's "igni ferroque" or something like that, with "igni" coming
from "ignis" (fire), meaning "with fire and sword". used in the usual
battle/war descriptions when destroying cities etc. cute those romans...
not sure about the exact spelling of "igni", but that's the expression,
at last in principle ;-)
ciao
Stefan
(yeah yeah, german trying to speak english explaining latin expressions
misspelled by americans and... no, just joking ;-)
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From: 00bkpickeril@bsuvc.bsu.edu (Brian K. Pickerill)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
Subject: Re: Habe(te) Quiddam (was Re: Marathon...Ingue Ferroque mean?)
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> I guess Latin is an eternal language. There sure is a lot of it in this
> futuristic game.
They are partly referring back to the original Marathon. That's pretty
cool, if you ask me.
--Brian Pickerill <00bkpickeril@bsuvc.bsu.edu>
From: acrosenk@artsci.wustl.edu (Alan Charles Rosenkoetten)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games,alt.games.marathon
Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
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H Petteri Sulonen (psulonen@cc.helsinki.fi) wrote:
: It's "Habe Quidam". It means simply "Have something!". (Sing. pres.
: active of "habeo", to have, etc.; "quidam", pronoun; "something".
: It's Latin, at least.
Ah yes, thanks, but now I have another question - Habete Quidam is the
screen name used by somebody at Bungie (might've been Jason Jones, I
don't remember - at any rate it's on page 19 of the manual and other
places as well), is this something like "I have something" (as I've never
taken Latin - I missed the two years of it at my current school, and am
now taking Homeric Greek - this is just a guess).
--
Gabe Rosenkoetter "My advice to you, my violent friend, is
acrosenk@artsci.wustl.edu to find a pile of gold, and sit on it."
- John Gardner, _Grendel_
From: Will Price (wprice@primenet.com)
Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games, alt.games.marathon
Date: 1995-03-03 20:07:34 PST
In article <3j256a$eg5@theopolis.orl.mmc.com> tom wilson,
twilson@sunny5.dab.ge.com writes:
>bwanga@cats.ucsc.edu (Tim Seufert) wrote:
>>In the online chat with Jason Jones on EWorld, he said this:
>> BungieCorp : ok, you talked me into it. on the last level (which should
>> be spelled "Ignie Ferroque") there are three secret doors
>>So it would appear that the spelling in the game is just a typo. (U is
>>right next to I on the keyboard...)
Well, I'm afraid you're all wrong including Jason. I let him know at
MacWorld that the latin was not correct, but he didn't have anywhere to
write it down. The correct latin as intended is:
Inguine Ferroque
The translation is, "By balls and by Iron", or perhaps more colloquially,
"with balls of steel", the implication being that such would be required
to complete the level. The error is not very severe, and it was fairly
easy to figure out what was meant. The first word is simply not declined
correctly, but there is no other possible translation. Any good Roman
would have understood.
-Will
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From: Nat Lanza <nlanza@delphi.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:33:58 -0500
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Alan Charles Rosenkoetten <acrosenk@artsci.wustl.edu> writes:
>places as well), is this something like "I have something" (as I've never
Pretty much. habere = have, hold, keep and quiddam = a certain thing.
'I have something' would be Habeo Aliquid, not Habete Quiddam. My guess
is that it's meant as a plural imperative: Have some, roughly.
By the way, about the "Ingue Ferroque" - I'm inclined to agree with the guy
who claimed it was supposed to be "Inguine Ferroque", or "by the groin and
iron" - roughly "with balls of steel". Igne Ferroque _does_ translate to
"by fire and sword", but that phrase is most commonly rendered in Latin as
"ferro atque igni" - "with fire and sword".
--Nat
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From: arcline@phoenix.princeton.edu (Austin Cline)
Subject: Re: Habe(te) Quiddam (was Re: Marathon...Ingue Ferroque mean?)
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In article <1995Mar2.102635.43070@orion.bsuvc.bsu.edu>,
00bkpickeril@bsuvc.bsu.edu (Brian K. Pickerill) wrote:
> > I guess Latin is an eternal language. There sure is a lot of it in this
> > futuristic game.
>
> They are partly referring back to the original Marathon. That's pretty
> cool, if you ask me.
Huh? They're trying to refer back to the *original* Marathon? Geez, I hope not.
Marathon = Greek battle with Persians, 490 BCE
Latin = language of Roman Empire, with classical Latin not taking hold
until well *after* 490 BCE. At that time, Rome was still in its infancy,
with the rule of the Etruscans having recently ended. Rome wasn't even a
republic yet, still being controlled by kings.
Connection? Well, both were a real long time ago, but so what?
Maybe they just picked the names because they sounded cool.
Austin Cline; German Department; Princeton University
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ones and anti-metaphysicians, we, too, derive *our* flame from the fire ignited by a faith
millennia old, the Christian faith,...that God is truth, that truth is divine.
-Friedrich Nietzsche; The Gay Science, 344
From: A. Pomeroy (Arthur.Pomeroy@vuw.ac.nz)
Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games, alt.games.marathon
Date: 1995-03-04 23:39:01 PST
In article <3j256a$eg5@theopolis.orl.mmc.com>, twilson@sunny5.dab.ge.com
(tom wilson) wrote:
> > BungieCorp : ok, you talked me into it. on the last level (which should
> > be spelled "Ignie Ferroque") there are three secret doors
> Secondly, to the dumb-ass who claims a classical education. What a f#cking
> fraud since you seemed to think Ignue is a Latin word. I was correct in that
> it wasn't.
Damn right too! But Bungie has now substituted one misprint for another. Try
"Igne Ferroque" -- "By Fire and Steel". Is this someone's motto?
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From: psulonen@cc.helsinki.fi (H Petteri Sulonen)
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Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
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In <3j3hdn$si5@newsreader.wustl.edu> acrosenk@artsci.wustl.edu (Alan Charles Rosenkoetten) writes:
>H Petteri Sulonen (psulonen@cc.helsinki.fi) wrote:
>: It's "Habe Quidam". It means simply "Have something!". (Sing. pres.
>: active of "habeo", to have, etc.; "quidam", pronoun; "something".
>: It's Latin, at least.
>Ah yes, thanks, but now I have another question - Habete Quidam is the
>screen name used by somebody at Bungie (might've been Jason Jones, I
>don't remember - at any rate it's on page 19 of the manual and other
>places as well), is this something like "I have something" (as I've never
>taken Latin - I missed the two years of it at my current school, and am
>now taking Homeric Greek - this is just a guess).
"Habete" is just the plural imperative; "habete quidam" means "you
(plural) have some(thing)", where "habe quidam" is "you (singular) have
some(thing)", both being "commands". I suppose the "some(thing)" refers
to bullets etc.
-- Petteri
From: Akira (pizor@lclark.edu)
Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
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Date: 1995-03-06 13:00:16 PST
In article <3j256a$eg5@theopolis.orl.mmc.com> twilson@sunny5.dab.ge.com (tom wilson) writes:
>First, this is really pathetic. A typo on one
>of the level names!...I guess the release was rushed too much.
*shakes head*
Four, five, was it SIX months late and the product was RUSHED?
Maybe it's a good idea to have copy editors for more than just manuals. . .
Rich
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From: H Petteri Sulonen (psulonen@cc.helsinki.fi)
Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games, alt.games.marathon
Date: 1995-03-09 17:02:29 PST
In <3j3es8$ki1@news.primenet.com> Will Price <wprice@primenet.com> writes:
>Well, I'm afraid you're all wrong including Jason. I let him know at
>MacWorld that the latin was not correct, but he didn't have anywhere to
>write it down. The correct latin as intended is:
>Inguine Ferroque
>The translation is, "By balls and by Iron", or perhaps more colloquially,
>"with balls of steel", the implication being that such would be required
>to complete the level. The error is not very severe, and it was fairly
>easy to figure out what was meant. The first word is simply not declined
>correctly, but there is no other possible translation. Any good Roman
>would have understood.
That would make sense, but only if "balls" is also a Latin expression
(which I won't accept without a classical quote). Are you sure it's not
the quote "by fire and sword" describing how some city was to be
destroyed? (That would be "Igne ferroque", although, as stated, my Latin
isn't that strong.)
(This is one of the better threads at csmg, I think... :-)
-- Petteri
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From: back0053@maroon.tc.umn.edu (R. Backley)
Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque mean?
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In article <3jfecq$lej@kruuna.helsinki.fi>, psulonen@cc.helsinki.fi (H
Petteri Sulonen) wrote:
> In <3j3hdn$si5@newsreader.wustl.edu> acrosenk@artsci.wustl.edu (Alan
Charles Rosenkoetten) writes:
>
> >H Petteri Sulonen (psulonen@cc.helsinki.fi) wrote:
> >: It's "Habe Quidam". It means simply "Have something!". (Sing. pres.
> >: active of "habeo", to have, etc.; "quidam", pronoun; "something".
>
> >: It's Latin, at least.
>
> >Ah yes, thanks, but now I have another question - Habete Quidam is the
> >screen name used by somebody at Bungie (might've been Jason Jones, I
> >don't remember - at any rate it's on page 19 of the manual and other
> >places as well), is this something like "I have something" (as I've never
> >taken Latin - I missed the two years of it at my current school, and am
> >now taking Homeric Greek - this is just a guess).
>
> "Habete" is just the plural imperative; "habete quidam" means "you
> (plural) have some(thing)", where "habe quidam" is "you (singular) have
> some(thing)", both being "commands". I suppose the "some(thing)" refers
> to bullets etc.
>
> -- Petteri
I have never taken latin, but I think it means "Have Some." If you find
the secret room on the last level, there is the terminal that talks about
the game and the staff. It says a few nick names that the staff
apparently go by. Such as Jason Jones: Super Oprea Boy and Have Some.
just my opinion,
RB
From: russotto@wanda.pond.com (Matthew Russotto)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque m
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In article <D5y1J8.Gqs@aston.ac.uk>, Chris Lam <lamcw@aston.ac.uk> wrote:
}
}av943195@harare (G.O'Keefe) wrote:
}
};I wondered when someone would figure that out. Alright, if you guys are
};_so_ smart ;) what does this mean:
}
};Tua consilia omnia nobis clariora sunt quam lux delenda est.
}
};I read it from a terminal in Welcome to the Revolution, Tycho said it to
};Durandal. I had to rocket jump up to the terminal to read it to and it
};was of zero use.
}
}
}Translates literally into
}
}"Your plans all to us clearer are than the light has been destroyed"
}
}
}Much better is
}
}"All your plans are clearer to us than the extinguished light".
}
}
}Mmm, still doesn't mean much does it?
Take it metaphorically-- remember, Durandal and Tycho have been
discussing the end of the universe-- that could be the "light has been
destroyed" .
From: av943195@moscow (G.O'Keefe)
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Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque m
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Chris Lam (lamcw@aston.ac.uk) wrote:
| av943195@harare (G.O'Keefe) wrote:
| ;I wondered when someone would figure that out. Alright, if you guys are
| ;_so_ smart ;) what does this mean:
| ;Tua consilia omnia nobis clariora sunt quam lux delenda est.
| Translates literally into
| "Your plans all to us clearer are than the light has been destroyed"
| Much better is
| "All your plans are clearer to us than the extinguished light".
Bloody romans. Thank goodness they're all dead now. Obtuse bastards. ;)
Gary
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From: russotto@wanda.pond.com (Matthew Russotto)
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Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque m
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In article <3l6r7i$6h1@xdm084.ccc.cranfield.ac.uk>,
G.O'Keefe <av943195@moscow> wrote:
}Chris Lam (lamcw@aston.ac.uk) wrote:
}| av943195@harare (G.O'Keefe) wrote:
}| ;I wondered when someone would figure that out. Alright, if you guys are
}| ;_so_ smart ;) what does this mean:
}| ;Tua consilia omnia nobis clariora sunt quam lux delenda est.
}
}| Translates literally into
}| "Your plans all to us clearer are than the light has been destroyed"
}
}| Much better is
}| "All your plans are clearer to us than the extinguished light".
}
}Bloody romans. Thank goodness they're all dead now. Obtuse bastards. ;)
As I mentioned in another thread, try:
Tua consilia omnia nobis clariora sunt quam lux. Tu delenda est.
IMO, probably intended to mean "All your plans are transparent* to us.
You must be destroyed."
*Assuming "clariora sunt quam lux" can be loosly translated as "clear
to light". I also considered "clear as day", but I don't think "lux"
can be translated as "day".
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From: lamcw@aston.ac.uk (Chris Lam)
Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque
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cheurich@aol.com (CHeurich) wrote:
; Ingue Ferroque - maybe "Blood and Iron"? Hmm?
No. It means "with iron bollocks"
From: ndaniel1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Noah Daniels)
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Subject: Re: Marathon -- what does Ingue Ferroque
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In article <D694MG.4K9@aston.ac.uk>, lamcw@aston.ac.uk wrote:
> cheurich@aol.com (CHeurich) wrote:
>
> ; Ingue Ferroque - maybe "Blood and Iron"? Hmm?
>
> No. It means "with iron bollocks"
I thought it was a misspelling and was supposed to mean "Iron and Fire"...
what's a bollock?
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