From: cgp@doubleaught.NOJUNKEMAIL.com (Chad G. Poland)
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Subject: Duality Screenshots.
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:57:35 -0400
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Everyone will be happy to know that Duality Screenshots have been released.
Check them out at Killer 3D Mac Games:
http://www.grayphics.com/3dmacgames/
For more Duality info check out:
http://www.duality.net/
--
Regards.....Chad
Double Aught, Inc.
cgp@doubleaught.NOJUNKEMAIL.com
From: Quartz <quartz@shore.net>
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Subject: Re: Duality Screenshots.
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Chad G. Poland wrote:
>
> Everyone will be happy to know that Duality Screenshots have been released.
where? the shots link still says 'coming soon'
--
Quartz
"never argue with a fool, others may
not be able to tell the difference"
"a closed mouth gathers no foot"
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http://www.pullmyfinger.com/quartz/Novelty.html
From: abergman@pantheon.yale.edu (Aaron Bergman)
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Subject: Re: Duality Screenshots.
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:18:00 -0500
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In article <34230E6E.33AA@shore.net>, quartz@shore.net wrote:
:Chad G. Poland wrote:
:>
:> Everyone will be happy to know that Duality Screenshots have been released.
:
:where? the shots link still says 'coming soon'
Not on that page. The 3dmacgames page, the URL of which I forget.
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From: cgp@doubleaught.com (Chad G. Poland)
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Subject: Re: Duality Screenshots.
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In article <abergman-2009970918010001@net40-31.student.yale.edu>,
abergman@pantheon.yale.edu (Aaron Bergman) wrote:
> :Chad G. Poland wrote:
> :>
> :> Everyone will be happy to know that Duality Screenshots have been released.
> :
> :where? the shots link still says 'coming soon'
>
> Not on that page. The 3dmacgames page, the URL of which I forget.
>
Go back and read my first post.
You were so excited you didn't read the whole thing, did you?
hehe
From: borzz@earthlink.net (Borzz)
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Subject: Re: Duality Screenshots.
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:32:13 -0700
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In article <cgp-ya02408000R1909971357350001@news.mindspring.com>,
cgp@doubleaught.NOJUNKEMAIL.com (Chad G. Poland) wrote:
>Everyone will be happy to know that Duality Screenshots have been released.
>Check them out at Killer 3D Mac Games:
I want into that sandbox... absolutely WOW!
I'm soaked.
.....Borzz
"Borzz Gallery Of Marathon"
http://home.earthlink.net/~borzz/
From: postmaster@127.0.0.1 (aaron)
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In article <borzz-ya023380001909971732130001@news.earthlink.net>,
borzz@earthlink.net (Borzz) wrote:
> In article <cgp-ya02408000R1909971357350001@news.mindspring.com>,
> cgp@doubleaught.NOJUNKEMAIL.com (Chad G. Poland) wrote:
>
> >Everyone will be happy to know that Duality Screenshots have been released.
> >Check them out at Killer 3D Mac Games:
>
> I want into that sandbox... absolutely WOW!
>
> I'm soaked.
the direct link:
http://www.duality.net/Main/screenshots.html
I'm not a huge fan of the textures they're going with, but we're looking
at FPO textures, I expect.
Pretty impressive.
--
aaron[at]herringn.com
From: Face <rudolph.family@mcleod.net>
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Subject: Re: Duality Screenshots.
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 18:10:30 -0500
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Chad G. Poland wrote:
>
> Everyone will be happy to know that Duality Screenshots have been
> released.
> Check them out at Killer 3D Mac Games:
Archecture and lighting are great. Two things though.
A. The texture aren't very impressive.
B. I want to see characters.
--
Face (Dan Rudolph) <rudolph.family@mcleod.net>
The Dark Avenger of Netiquette
President, Watcher Comics <ftp://ftp.eyrie.org/pub/racc/watcher/>
http://206.168.216.158/Marathon/pmarchive/main.html
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From: petrich@netcom.com (Loren Petrich)
Subject: Re: Duality Screenshots.
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In article <postmaster-2009970259230001@ip252.pm2.nwlink.com>,
aaron <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>http://www.duality.net/Main/screenshots.html
>I'm not a huge fan of the textures they're going with, but we're looking
>at FPO textures, I expect.
What's "FPO"?
--
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From: Mike <mswinger@concentric.net>
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Subject: Re: Duality Screenshots.
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:35:38 -0400
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> >I'm not a huge fan of the textures they're going with, but we're looking at FPO textures, I expect.
>
> What's "FPO"?
I assume it refers to those grainy, amorphous, monochrome shapes that
someone has been raving about. Is anyone taking this junk seriously?? It
looks like a giant leap back to the 80's.
From: c1ndyh@aol.com (C1ndyh)
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Subject: Re: Duality Screenshots.
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>>I'm not a huge fan of the textures they're going with, but we're looking
>>at FPO textures, I expect.
>What's "FPO"?
FPO = for placement only
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From: petrich@netcom.com (Loren Petrich)
Subject: Re: Duality Screenshots.
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I got them from the Inside 3D Games site, and they certainly do
look impressive. They were rather dark, so I used Photoshop to brighten
them and bring out a lot of details (I won't post the results unless I
get permission from someone at Doubleaught, however).
First, a note on preview pictures. What they show may or may not
make it into the final game; that is clear from the preview screenshots
of all three members of the Marathon series. Examples: M1 shows a Hulk in
the bright green-floored chamber in "Mars Needs Women", M2 shows
F'licktas, Hunters, and Enforcers in "Waterloo Waterpark", and Moo uses
the M2 textures and has blue F'licktas in that central stream in "Poor
Yorick" and VacBobs in a Jjaro-space-station level. In fact, the first
screenshot ever of Moo, of some VacBobs vs. some Hunters and Drones in a
Jjaro-textured corridor, does not appear to have made it into any of the
game's maps -- it may have only been experimental.
Though all the surfaces looked planar, they seemed to be oriented
over the full spectrum of possibilities (Marathon has only horizontal and
vertical). There was an object that cast a shadow and there was light
coming into a tunnel, so the Duality engine does do shadowing.
The sky looked like a rectangular-solid box; I wonder if the
Doubleaught guys will improve on that in some later version :-)
The textures were not quite Marathon textures, but they did seem
more colorful than Quake's. There was no sign of any monsters or players,
or at least of anything that could readily be recognized as one of these :-)
--
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petrich@netcom.com And a fast train
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From: christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher Henrik Lund)
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Subject: Re: Duality Screenshots.
Date: 21 Sep 1997 13:17:39 +0200
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In article <342457E6.2C79F250@mcleod.net>, Face <rudolph.family@mcleod.net> writes:
> Chad G. Poland wrote:
> > Everyone will be happy to know that Duality Screenshots have been
> > released.
> > Check them out at Killer 3D Mac Games:
> Archecture and lighting are great. Two things though.
> A. The texture aren't very impressive.
That's what the editors are for!
Besides, I rather liked the textures. The whole thing gives a kind of
"Nightmare before Christmas meets Wile E Coyote" feeling.
I think I am definitly going to buy this thing!
> B. I want to see characters.
Ditto.
> Face (Dan Rudolph) <rudolph.family@mcleod.net>
C Lund, "If you took all the world's politicians,
Oslo, and put them in a long line around the equator,
christop@ifi.uio.no then that would be kinda cool."
http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christop/ -Norwegian toilet stall graffiti
From: see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan)
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Subject: Re: Duality Screenshots.
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 12:34:18 -0700
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In article <602voj$aid@gyda.ifi.uio.no>, christop@ifi.uio.no (Christopher
Henrik Lund) wrote:
> Besides, I rather liked the textures. The whole thing gives a kind of
> "Nightmare before Christmas meets Wile E Coyote" feeling.
They remind me of old Star Trek sets.
--
Matthew Vaughan
matthewv at mindspring dot com (damn spammers...)
---------
This is your mind.
This is duality.
This is your mind on duality...
From: bulkbruin@aol.com (BulkBruin)
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Subject: Re: Duality Screenshots.
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Matthew Vaughan wrote about the Duality screenshots:
>>They remind me of old Star Trek sets.<<
right, or dr. seuss landscapes.
or, come to think of it, krazy kat landscapes.
From: postmaster@127.0.0.1 (aaron)
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In article <petrichEGtsp7.Ir6@netcom.com>, petrich@netcom.com (Loren
Petrich) wrote:
> In article <postmaster-2009970259230001@ip252.pm2.nwlink.com>,
> aaron <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
> >http://www.duality.net/Main/screenshots.html
>
> >I'm not a huge fan of the textures they're going with, but we're looking
> >at FPO textures, I expect.
>
> What's "FPO"?
For Placement Only.
Basically, a texture whipped together to have something there, not
representative of what the final will look like.
Term comes from DTP/graphics work.
--
aaron[at]herringn.com
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C. Lund, that wacky guy from Norway, said:
>>Besides, I rather liked the textures. The whole thing gives a kind of
"Nightmare before Christmas meets Wile E Coyote" feeling.<<
I also liked them. From what we know of the story, it does not sound like
the kind of game that boasts fusion technlogy and FTL drives and alien
races and such. It seems to be more fantasy oriented. (although I'm not
saying it's definitely sword and sorcery material.) So, you don't get alien
scultures and large metal textures but the building materials of the time;
stone, sand, wood, etc.
Whatever. They look cool. The colors are much, much better than Quake's
two and a half colors. The whole game, so far, looks very promising.
<>-Svy-<>
<>- Grand Knight of Bumbledon -<>
<>-The Keeper of The Silver Spork-<>
Svywranth@aol.com
From: grendel@doubleaught.com (Greg)
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A bunch of people wrote different things about screenshots and:
> C. Lund, that wacky guy from Norway, said:
>
> >>Besides, I rather liked the textures. The whole thing gives a kind of
> "Nightmare before Christmas meets Wile E Coyote" feeling.<<
>
> I also liked them. From what we know of the story, it does not sound like
> the kind of game that boasts fusion technlogy and FTL drives and alien
> races and such. It seems to be more fantasy oriented. (although I'm not
> saying it's definitely sword and sorcery material.) So, you don't get alien
> scultures and large metal textures but the building materials of the time;
> stone, sand, wood, etc.
>
> Whatever. They look cool. The colors are much, much better than Quake's
> two and a half colors. The whole game, so far, looks very promising.
>
Our color palatte is currently undergoing some revisions. As we're
learning there are some very specific reasons that quake has very few
different colors tones in their color palatte. We're actually planning on
people playing in thousands most of the time. (if you have a reasonably
fast video card the speed difference is not very great right now.) The
reason that people will do this is that the game will simply look much
better in thousands. Each group of similarly colored textures will have
their own 8bit pallate and in thousands all of these different colors will
be represented in 16 bit. That is that the _source_ for the texture has
256 different colors, but the actual render can have 16-bits of
value.
On another topic:
We'll be making periodic updates to the screenshots, so keep your eyes
open. Basically, each day we get new and cool things into the engine, but
we don't want to spend all our time making screenshots. When we get
exciting stuff and a bit of free time, we'll put it up.
As for some of the other stuff, if people want to paraphrase my emails to
them that's fine, i'd rather not get quoted simply because I'd rather not
be embarrassed by my poor spelling and shoddy 3-in-the-morning-grammar.
have fun,
Greg K